2004-10-26 [RabidSphinx]: okay, here we go. lets see how this wiki goes...are there any Pro-lifers out there?

2004-10-26 [rocker_reject]: i'm a por-lifer!!!!!!! its so sad what they do to unborn babies. Its like, there are people out there who want babies but cna't have them and they want to adopt. If you don't want a baby put it up for adoption!!!

2004-10-26 [Lioness123]: I know that there are MANY different circumstances, but one should NEVER destroy the most precious gift that we has humans will ever recieve

2004-10-26 [rocker_reject]: right. it would be diff if it was a life and death situation!!!!

2004-10-26 [Prowler Wolf]: ohhh, the pics get to me....stupid maternal instincts....i'll join

2004-10-26 [RabidSphinx]: yay! i have more pictures i will add as a seperate gallery in a few

2004-10-27 [rocker_reject]: oh, kool

2004-10-27 [RabidSphinx]: new images up! i have links ate the top of this wiki!

2004-10-27 [Gone4eva]: maybe you and pro choice wiki should make a debate wiki

2004-10-27 [RabidSphinx]: maybe...but i would probably be the only one willing to debate because i have thouroghly researched my views and can support them with facts. most "pro-choice" people are just Anachists, they are anti governmet, pro gay rights, all saying "how dare you tell me what to do in ANYTHING" i tell anachists to leave my country...they can all move to Canada and rot...but then they would miss their freedoms, like freedom of speach, that are part of the government they "hate"...

2004-10-27 [creation]: Debate Room there is a debate room, i created it. check it out at The Gathering wow, we have alot not in commom raine. I still love you though. ok, my views. I believe that abortion is ok given under the circumstance. we shouldn't ban abortion because WE think its wrong. it should be up to the mother not the people. also, i classify myself as an Anarchist because i believe we can or rather say could have been successful with Anarchy in the past. in this day and age, it will not succed :( i am also pro gay marriage. dont hate me for who i am, just respect my beliefs. ill link this wiki @ Anti-Suicide for those who are pro choice

2004-10-29 [RabidSphinx]: new images added....i love them, beauty among all this death...

2004-10-29 [Young J.C.]: Pro-Choice!

2004-10-29 [RabidSphinx]: Pro-Life!

2004-10-29 [Young J.C.]: Fuck it... ones opinion... sorry [RabidSphinx], I respect your opinion and expect the same from you. But a womans body is her own choice to do she wants with it!

2004-10-29 [RabidSphinx]: it isn't a woman's body we are dealing with...it isn't her choice to get a tattoo that we are talking about...we are talking about a human life...a child's right to LIVE...she can do what she wants to her body fine...but it *isn't* her body that is being torn apart limb from limb by a sucktion hose...

2004-10-29 [Young J.C.]: It is her choice... the baby is not born yet, which makes it not alive!

2004-10-29 [Aurea]: It is alive! I don't know how many times Rained has to say it, but it's got a heart beat. It's very much alive. I don't know what your definition of living is, but I'd say that much pretty much covers it in the case of a human life. Who knows what that child could grow up to be? He/she might be the one who would find the cure for cancer, if given the chance.

2004-10-29 [RabidSphinx]: so what makes baby A, a 10 second old baby alive, and baby B, a baby still inside it mother right before dilivery different? One is inside, one is outside, but both have beeting hears, blinking eyes, brain functions, can both recognize their mother's voice, both and kick, hiccup, take breaths....so what makes baby A different from baby B?

2004-10-29 [Young J.C.]: A birth certificate proves it is alive. And are you that damn slow (sorry, I'm a little pissed off right now, don't take any of this offensively.) But, they have already find the damn cure for cancer! But the government doesn't tell anybody that because, people need to die!

2004-10-29 [RabidSphinx]: that sort of bullshit is what makes "Partial Brith abortions" legal...they reach up, pull the baby out feet first, and kill it while it's head is still inside it's mother...the second the head is out of the body, it is considered born and alive (most babies naturally born headfirst)...but what is difference between the baby with only it's head out, and the baby with only it's head in? NOTHING! they are the same fucking thing! they are both alive or they are both not alive! you can't flip flop on this!

2004-10-29 [RabidSphinx]: a birth certificate is a paper document to prove you are living...if i were to distroy all copies of your birth certificate...would you be dead?

2004-10-29 [Young J.C.]: What is one to say? The child obviously has no say in it and it is completely up to the mother! Why try to stop ones belief, when you don't like it when someone goes agaisnt your belief?

2004-10-29 [RabidSphinx]: you know what? i'm tired of arguing with you...i have classes in the morning and your stupidity amazes me...if a baby isn't alive...then why do people mourn the loss of babies to misscariage? they say the baby "died in the womb" how is that possible if it isn't "alive" and why would the parents care? it wasn't a living thing, it was nothing...once they fill out that birth certificat, and stamp that babies foot in ink, they can love it, because *then* it is alive...yah, you have opinions...and they are moronic

2004-10-29 [RabidSphinx]: i love all the little children... how could you kill him?

2004-10-29 [Young J.C.]: You are so damn closed minded! Someone that has a misscariage cared about the baby and wanted! Someone that had an abortion, couldn't give two shits about the baby and say it was never alive! It's all about opinions! You obviously only accept your own!

2004-10-29 [RabidSphinx]: WE ARE TALKING ABOUR MURDER! people that think killing is wrong are not considered close minde. My oppinions are supported by scientific fact that the child is in fact *alive* while in it's mother when your opinion is not. if fact, the only support for your opinion is...well, i can't find one. you just keep saying it's the mother's choice. well, damn, everyone has choices buddy, but the choice to kill a child or not should not be legal.

2004-10-29 [Lioness123]: whoa, I walkin in at a bad time...but I gotta go to work anyways, or I'd stay and defend the baby's rights. I'll be back tonight! later!

2004-10-29 [rocker_reject]: its true....when the baby is in the mothers whom, they are infact alive!!!! the embilical cord is what supplies them their air and food.... and also their blood is flowing threw it and their body....and a doctor recorded an abortion and watched it afterwards and in the video the baby was screaming but the fluid prevents us hearing it so they are torturing the baby just because the mother couldn't keep her legs closed (no offense)

2004-10-30 [metallickittycat]: would i get yelled at if i thought abortions were evil unless it was bad for the mom or the mom was raped? i mean if she was raped how could she look at the child every day knowing that the father raped her? *anyway* just wanted to know if i would get yelled at...

2004-10-30 [metallickittycat]: Fact: baby's can be born addicted to crack if mother is a drug/alchohal user. also smoking afects the baby as early as 6 weeks old.

2004-10-30 [RabidSphinx]: nope. in fact. that is much how i feel. the one percent that get abortions because of rape, and the 6% because of serious health issues, i feel are justified. If the mother and baby are *both* going to dye, then why not try to save atleast the one so that she may have the chance of having another someday. and if a woman was raped, that has a serious mental impact on a woman, and carrying the child of your rapist is sometimes too much for a woman to handle mentaly. i think that for those 7 or so % Abortion should be made a *special* option. if you just spread your legs to the wrong guy, then tough shit, get rid of the baby after it's born,

2004-10-30 [RabidSphinx]: my boyfriend and his twin are both very sick, and my BF is currently in the hospital again because his mother smoked and drank while pregnent...grrr...some women are EVIL! but i'm glad she didn't turminate him and his sister, or i would be very sad...

2004-10-30 [metallickittycat]: (sorry for your BF and his twins, i hope he gets out of the hospital soon...

2004-10-30 [RabidSphinx]: yah, thank you, i hope so too...(^_^)

2004-10-30 [metallickittycat]: some people who are considered "evil" are actually just using drugs as a means to get rid of depression. Alchohal gives you a rush of beta-endorphins which i guess you could call ant-depressants made by the brain. But when you stop drinking they are used up and before you have enough to effect you mood and balance your emotions you go into depresion because the beta-endorphins are not their to make you feel good. So people drink more to get the feeling of happyness, but when they stop drinking they go into deeper depression. Though it really isn't an excuse. They should have tried a coucilar or friend to talk too...(IN other words, i kind of feel sorry for the drunken saps...)

2004-10-30 [metallickittycat]: (sorrys, my health class is forcing me to learn stuff about drugs and baby's and enviroment and such things, sorry if i sounded like a know-it-all or anything...)

2004-10-30 [RabidSphinx]: meh, Alchohal is a depressent, so it doesn't solve anything, and no, his mother *is* evil...evil women beat their children until they become unconcious...and break glass bottles across their faces...yah, his mother is EVIL!

2004-10-30 [metallickittycat]: Sheez...wow..that sounds like a book i read "A child called 'It'" it was scary... people who beat their children should be put in jail...

2004-10-30 [RabidSphinx]: they can be, it's considered child abuse, and the children can be taken away and the parents are sometimes charged...but not often enough

2004-10-30 [metallickittycat]: i just feel bad for those few children who have their parents taken away when they were not beaten, and were just acting out for some reason.

2004-10-30 [RabidSphinx]: yah...:(

2004-10-30 [Lioness123]: I've read that book and I must say, it shook me to the core. I cried for that poor boy (now a man). NO ONE should ever have to go through the hell his mother put him through. And to know that he went through all that and still came out a loving father and husband should be an inspiration to us all.

2004-10-30 [Lioness123]: and refering to earlier comments, excercising, eating right and doing things you enjoy all release dopamine (sp) in the brain which makes you happy... the more you are active and keep a healthy lifestyle, the happier you get. = ) Its true, I've been depressed for months on end then started lifting weights to release my anger and frustration and stress, and it worked!

2004-10-30 [RabidSphinx]: I have been depressed for years, and getting worse...i don't leave my bedroom, i just sit in my little corner and work on my book...

2004-10-30 [Lioness123]: why don't you go outside sometime? The sunlight also has a part in your mood, believe it or not

2004-10-30 [RabidSphinx]: sun=bad for my skin and no, outside is a place i don't want to be...i hate leaving the house...there are people out there, always judging...i will stay right here in my little corner tank you...it's safe here

2004-10-30 [Lioness123]: actually, your skin needs a little sunlight now and then, just not too much. Thats why people who live like in alaska and other places with lengthy times of darkness need to do light therapy or they get depressed.

2004-10-30 [Lioness123]: sorry if I sound like a nerd ; )

2004-10-30 [RabidSphinx]: sunlight gives you vitimin D, people that live in alaska and have the six months of darkness, suffer from vitimin D defficiancy...you need 30 minutes of sunlight a week to fufill your requiarment, and i get more than that the days i actually go to school, so i am hardly at a heath risk here...(HA! so now who's the nerd!) i just dislike not being in my room...people bother me. and i don't like being looked at. i don't like the way i look, and i don't like the bad things i know people are thinking about me

2004-10-30 [Lioness123]: are you psychic? Please don't assume that people are thinking bad things about you when they aren't. I know how you feel, because I went through that too years ago.

2004-10-30 [RabidSphinx]: I hear them, i hear what they are thinking in my head, and they always think bad things...it has been this way all my life. up until 4th grade i was oblivious to the fact everyone hated me. then i found out my only 2 friends were only that because the teacher had asked them to be. since then i have been alone. and now, withing that last few years, i can hear things, all the negative things people are always thinking about me. the nasty coments they think to themselves about my weight and clothing....

2004-10-30 [Lioness123]: *listens* I'm no psychologist, but most people aren't like that and really could care less about your weight and clothing. I'm a cashier so i meet tons of new people every day, and i can honestly tell you that the good caring people FAR outweigh the bad.

2004-10-30 [RabidSphinx]: not in any of my experiance

2004-10-30 [Lioness123]: maybe you're only looking at the bad ones and overlooking the good. I used to do that alot when I got real depressed.

2004-10-30 [RabidSphinx]: the bad are outwardly mean, the good just want something from you...

2004-10-30 [Mitsune]: I have a problem with your new banner.... I'm completely open to everyone's opinions. I just don't think it's very considerate to use pictures of the holocaust and black lynchings, in a pro-life wiki. But that's just my opinion.

2004-10-30 [RabidSphinx]: that was a banner i got from a website, i did not make it...talk to them, not me...i shows that at one time it was seen as okay to murder innocet jews, and more recently, to murder innocent black americans. today it is seen as okay to murder innocent children...i believe the banner has a strong message...that is why i asked if i may use it in the wiki

2004-11-03 [Lioness123]: hellooooOOOooo....

2004-11-03 [RabidSphinx]: too depressed to think of anything cute or silly to say...

2004-11-03 [Lioness123]: why r u depressed?

2004-11-03 [RabidSphinx]: a whole mixture of things

2004-11-03 [Lioness123]: i know how it is...yesterday I was walking out of my class thinking I failed the exam, then found that someone had put a condom over the antena ball on my car...That upset me even more

2004-11-03 [RabidSphinx]: i was so depressed i didn't even get out of bed...i cried for a few hours, but then i just laid there on my back, my eyes open for so long that my contacts dried hard to my eyes, and i felt nothing. i am so numb. hours passed like minutes, i swear i could see the line of sunlight peeking through my blinds move accross my ceiling in 10 seconds rather than hours...then i closed my eyes for the first time all day and it hurt so bad. when my vision came back, though clouded by my ruined contacts, i saw that at some point i had burned my arms with a lighter several times bad enough to char the skin around the edges...

2004-11-03 [Lioness123]: *is skeptical* you can't be serious.

2004-11-04 [RabidSphinx]: yup...my are looks sick...and my eyes hurt like a bitch still...but that was me yesterday...today i went to school! and i only cried a few times randomly

2004-11-04 [Lioness123]: if thats true, then why don't you seek professional help??

2004-11-04 [RabidSphinx]: professional help requires money, and that is something i have only $25 of....(hey, my BF has a house on here now! [yutruyryu] !!!! yay!!!!!

2004-11-04 [Lioness123]: no it doesn't...there are places that will help you for no charge.

2004-11-04 [RabidSphinx]: not around here, i have looked...without money, i can't see anyone...

2004-11-05 [Lioness123]: in New York there isn't one place that will take you in and help you with this problem...?? sorry, but i find that hard to believe

2004-11-05 [Young J.C.]: New York... crowded city, greedy city... I don't see it hard to believe.

2004-11-05 [-Broken]: i wanna join

2004-11-06 [Young J.C.]: "Pro-Choice is having the choice to kill your unborn child. Pro-Choice is Pro-Death." Read that, honestly [Tesa]. How could one kill something that was never alive?

2004-11-06 [RabidSphinx]: it is alive jumpsteady...sciance has proven that...it is just you that thinks it's dead...talk to *any* doctor or scientist and they will tell you that an unborn child is very much so alive...

2004-11-06 [Young J.C.]: Hey, [RabidSphinx], your member said that, not I.

2004-11-06 [RabidSphinx]: "How could one kill something that was never alive?" is what you wrote buddy, and i am telling you that it *is* infact alive...

2004-11-06 [Young J.C.]: That is my belief.

2004-11-06 [RabidSphinx]: it's a belief, not a fact....the fact is, it *is* living, it's composed of living, growing, and deviding cells...it is a carbon based lifeform, like all other living things on this planet including humans, animals, plants, ect...in all aspects it is a living thing...how can you believe otherwise?

2004-11-06 [RabidSphinx]: it is one thing to *believe* in something like God, or bigfoot, because we cannot prove, or dissprove, either truely exsist...it takes faith, and that is cool...but we *can* prove a child is alive in the womb, so it isn't a belief, it is you ignoring the facts...

2004-11-06 [Young J.C.]: Just like I don't believe in God! The damn thing is still with inside the womb, not given any oxtgen yet.

2004-11-06 [RabidSphinx]: i didn't say you had to believe in god, but that is just it, that is a *belief* not yet a proven fact. it is *PROVEN* that a child is alive. it is supplied with oxygen through the umbilical cord, by the mother...just like a resporator in the hospital breathing for someone who can't on their own for some reason. they are alive, and so is the baby..."not given any oxtgen yet"...get your facts right *before* you try and make a point...

2004-11-06 [Young J.C.]: I know my facts pretty well. You are saying it is being forced air...

2004-11-06 [RabidSphinx]: it is being *supplied* air since, while in the womb, it can't get to air on it's own, but it still takes small breaths, in and out, strangthening it's lungs...it *lives* off the oxygen it's mother breaths, like a squba diver and it's airtank...

2004-11-06 [Young J.C.]: Then it would be up to it's mother if she still wants to "provide" the baby with air anymore, right?

2004-11-06 [RabidSphinx]: no, because it wouldn't be her she would be harming. a Choice would be to get a tattoo, it would be her body, her choice...a child isn't a choice, it's a life...it isn't her body, it is a temp. roommate...she has no choice that baby *is* alive, she can't change that other than to end that life, and ending a life is called Murder...

2004-11-06 [Young J.C.]: The law does not consider it murder.

2004-11-06 [RabidSphinx]: laws, but the fact is, you are still killing a human, and the laws are changing....if bush passes that amendment, it will be called murder, but even if it isn't passed, it sitll *is* murder, even if you can't be punished for it

2004-11-06 [Young J.C.]: The law over fact. You know as much as I do, if the law ever said it is alright to kill people, a lot of people would do it, even knowing for a fact, it is still wrong.

2004-11-06 [Lioness123]: Rainedrop, I've read over what I missed while I was gone, and I support you 100%. Way to know you're facts!! And jumpsteady, I am a certified nurses assistant and future RN...and what she said about how the baby breathes and stuff, is all true.

2004-11-06 [Lioness123]: I disagree with your opinion that everyone would go on a killing spree if killing were legal. The only difference would be that the murders wouldn't be punished as they so rightfully deserve. I don't think that there would be any more or less murders in the country

2004-11-06 [RabidSphinx]: whoot! you mean the long hours of research finally paid off? yay! yah, i know about babies, born and not, and i can pull random facts out of nowhere...don't test me! well, you could if you like i guess, but it really wouldn't help your case as much as hurt it...

2004-11-06 [Young J.C.]: I never said it wasn't true.

2004-11-06 [RabidSphinx]: then, if it's true, why not believe it?

2004-11-06 [Young J.C.]: If someone wents to kill something, not exactly born, and not illegal, I say "why stop them?"

2004-11-06 [RabidSphinx]: because it's wrong...killing is wrong, whether the law acknowedges it or not...

2004-11-06 [Young J.C.]: At this moment... the law rules this land that we live on.

2004-11-06 [Lioness123]: and so does your conscience

2004-11-06 [Young J.C.]: THe law still wins. I wouldn't want to be in Jail.

2004-11-06 [Lioness123]: so wait a minute....what you're saying is,..if killing people were legal, you'd do it?? (just trying to get this straight)

2004-11-06 [RabidSphinx]: wow, law over conscince...that is REALLY scarey....i am glad i have never met you [Young J.C.], you frighten me

2004-11-06 [Lioness123]: whoa, ravendark, I think you went a little too far that time

2004-11-06 [Lioness123]: lets give jumpsteady a chance to defend himself instead of us attacking him all at once.

2004-11-06 [RabidSphinx]: i deleted a few comments....lets not attack the person...telling them to kill themselves is not allowed on *my* wiki, and jumsteady already declared that he doesn't believe in god, so telling him there is no place for him in heaven is pointless....try and use facts, like i have, to support your argument, cutting down the other person by insulting them personally is not the way to win a debate and merely makes you sound like a fool, out of things to say...this is a conflict of opinions, not persons...lets keep this inpersonal if we can...

2004-11-06 [Lioness123]: thank you, raindrop *applauds you*

2004-11-06 [RabidSphinx]: i just don't want this to become a shouting match where no one is saying anything useful to the cause...facts....that is all that we need, and what this is about...whether you want to accept the fact that an unborn child is infact alive is the debate

2004-11-09 [FireGypsy]: Sorry guys *tears* (~_~,)

2004-11-09 [Young J.C.]: "2004-11-06 Lioness123: so wait a minute....what you're saying is,..if killing people were legal, you'd do it?? (just trying to get this straight)" Yes, I would kill people... many that I hate, and I am sure many would want to kill me.

2004-11-09 [RabidSphinx]: that is just really sad....

2004-11-09 [Aurea]: Well, I've just decided not to take part in this debate, for safety's sake, because if killing ever is made legal, I'd hate to be the person who ever disagreed with you.

2004-11-09 [RabidSphinx]: well, i would only kill in selfdefence...like ij jumpsteady decided to kill me because he is a freaky bloke

2004-11-09 [Young J.C.]: I wouldn't kill you though [RabidSphinx]... I find nothing wrong with you.

2004-11-09 [Lioness123]: that just blows my mind, jumpsteady. ... ... .. I'll say a prayer for you, man.

2004-11-09 [Young J.C.]: I'm not religious...

2004-11-09 [Lioness123]: doesn't matter

2004-11-09 [Young J.C.]: Nothing would work for me...

2004-11-09 [Lioness123]: : ) so you say

2004-11-09 [FireGypsy]: Well killing isnt going to end up legal anytime soon (unless your an unborn fetus) so lets not get all jumpy lol. If killing were legal...we would all mostly die.

2004-11-09 [RabidSphinx]: yah, off this topic since it's stupid and has no bassis in anything other than some people here have some issues they need to be counciled on.

2004-11-10 [Lioness123]: ok

2004-11-10 [Lioness123]: what do you wanna talk about?

2004-11-10 [RabidSphinx]: hehehe....i haven't a clue...anyone here ever consider being a model? i have, in the last 3 weeks, been aproched bt 3 different people offering me modeling jobs...is this a common thing?

2004-11-10 [Young J.C.]: I want to be a model... :'(

2004-11-10 [Lioness123]: I'd never make a good model..I make fun of them.. them and cheerleaders >:)

2004-11-10 [Young J.C.]: I want to be a model dammit! :P

2004-11-10 [RabidSphinx]: hey, lay off the cheerleaders...*pouts* and i always dreamed of being a model, but never saw myself as ever being able to...

2004-11-10 [Young J.C.]: I wanted to be a cheerleader too...

2004-11-10 [RabidSphinx]: thats cool...we have 3 men on our team

2004-11-10 [Young J.C.]: I should have...

2004-11-10 [Lioness123]: haha, my sister was a cheerleader and I'll never let her live it down. lol, ditzy cheerleaders...

2004-11-10 [RabidSphinx]: hey...screw you.....cheerleaders and not ditzy!

2004-11-10 [Young J.C.]: I wanted to be a cheerleader.

2004-11-10 [RabidSphinx]: as you have said....several times....

2004-11-10 [Young J.C.]: I know... and I didn't because, I was scared...

2004-11-13 [Lioness123]: y were you scared?

2004-11-13 [RabidSphinx]: I was scared because i have a phobia of being rejected...

2004-11-13 [Young J.C.]: No, I would have been the only male.

2004-11-14 [Lioness123]: so? the guys get to look all buff and lift the girls

2004-11-14 [Young J.C.]: I wouldn't have done it for that, I would have only did it because I wanted too.

2004-11-15 [Aurea]: I have a phobia of being told I'm wrong. Not because I think I should always be right, but because I don't want people to think I'm stupid. I think it's partly to do with my sister being Ms. Perfect... Salutatorian... That kind of thing. I never wanted my parents to be disappointed that I'm not as smart...

2004-11-16 [Are you in?]: Love thy Wealth

2004-11-16 [RabidSphinx]: hey, [Are you in?] i have more images if you would like them...of babies and pregnant woman...if you would like them in that wiki...

2004-11-16 [Are you in?]: Ill see to them, thank you thank you

2004-11-16 [Are you in?]: where?

2004-11-16 [RabidSphinx]: i can get them...h/o...

2004-11-17 [RabidSphinx]:

2004-11-17 [Are you in?]: thanks mate

2004-11-17 [RabidSphinx]: no problem...enjoy them

2004-11-18 [Lioness123]: aww....cute lil babies