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This Wiki is for Pro-life (anti abortion) supporters to come and be part of a community. I am merely giving you facts. You may decide for yourselves what side you chose. Life, or Choice. There is also Pro-Choice League for those of you who see nothing wrong with what you see and read here.


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Pro-Life Members

Join us in the fight against baby Genocide.

Pro-Life Badges

Badges for you all to post in your houses...Submissions are welcome!

Image Gallery

CAUTION!!!! GRAPHIC IMAGES of aborted babies. Submissions welcome.

Abortions

What is an abortion? here are the different kinds and all they entail.

Partial Birth Abortions

shows what a partial birth abortion is using a diagram, no horrific pictures...

Statistics on Abortions in the U.S.

Here are some statistics from 1996 and on.

True Stories

Woman tell what it's like to live after having an abortion.

Alive and kicking!

A collection of several stories, told by those who survived their mothers tying to abort them!!!


"Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born."
-Ronald Reagan-
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“I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception.
I submit that human life is present throughout this entire sequence from conception to adulthood and any interruption at any point constitutes a termination of a human life.”

-Dr. Jerome LeJeune, genetics professor at the University of Descartes in Paris (discoverer of the Down Syndrome chromosome)-



What is the pro-life response to abortionists' arguments?


Pro-abortion advocates consistently rely on the same arguments they have used for decades. What follows is these arguments broken down into their 5 basic forms, and the corresponding pro-life answer to these claims.


1.  [Claim:] 'It's not a baby/person - it's just a blob of tissue'

  [Response:]

When a woman is pregnant, science tells us that the new life she carries is a complete and fully new human being from the moment of fertilization. By the time most abortions can be performed, the baby already has a beating heart and identifiable brain waves. The baby living in her mother is as distinct and unique a new person/human being as you are from me, and as deserving of protection under the law as we are. 

The baby every mother carries as she faces a life and death decision has a beating heart at 18 days after fertilization and brain waves as early as six weeks after fertilization. Most abortions are not performed until nine weeks of the pregnancy. Even RU 486 chemical abortions can't be done until after six weeks.


2.  [Claim:] 'It's my body/ a women's choice'

  [Response:]

Every mother is faced with profound decisions to make for herself and her child but these decisions can never include the right to kill her baby. Mothers facing difficult pregnancies require accurate and compassionate information about the facts of fetal development as well as the practical help that is available to them through the more than 3,000 mother helping centers around the USA. Mothers have a right to be fully informed about the facts at least 24 hours before making this life or death decision for themselves and their child.


3.  [Claim:] 'What will we do with all the unwanted kids?' (Poor babies, overpopulation, abuse, etc.)

  [Response:]

We will never end poverty in our world simply by killing poor children. The poor mother who is encouraged to have an abortion today is just as poor tomorrow. Problems such as lack of job security, education, or abuse are not cured by ignoring their existence in a woman's life and turning to abortion as a way to make it all "go away."

The problem is lack of development -- not population. What women of the world desire are good basic health care for themselves and their families. In those countries where abortion is not legal, it is often because of strong cultural and religious beliefs that respect each new life. That respect needs to be backed up with wiser development plans not more dangerous and deadly abortion activity. In countries where there is not even the guarantee of clean running water, abortion will only become a death sentence for third world women and their babies.


4.  [Claim:] 'If abortion is made illegal women will die in back alleys'

  [Response:]

The numbers often used by pro-abortionists to back their claims are vast fabrications mostly made up by the pro-abortion lobby as admitted by Dr. Bernard Nathanson, founder of NARAL. The real numbers of deaths before 1973 are shockingly different.  Thirty-nine women died of illegal abortions in 1972, the year before Roe v Wade. Those are thirty-nine tragedies along with their thirty-nine children who also died because of abortion's violence. The true reason the deaths have decreased from abortion isn't legalization, it was the widespread introduction of antibiotics into medicine that saved the lives of women who would have otherwise died of botched abortions. In fact, the main forms of abortions have changed very little since the middle of this century! The only thing that legalizing abortion did was to give abortionists the right to hang their shingle on the front door and stop using the back alley!

Mothers deserve better answers than the death of their children through the violence of abortion, legal or illegal. Help us support the work of the more than 3,000 mother helping centers committed to providing real life affirming options for these women and their families.


5.  [Claim:] 'What about a woman who's been raped/incest or carrying a disabled/sick child? (the hard cases)'

  [Response:]

A.  We don't cure illness by killing the patient. Aborting a child with a disability or illness is the height of prejudice. When a family learns that the child they are expecting may have a special need, that family needs support and good solid medical information -- not the death of their most fragile member. Society must flee this attitude that uses arbitrary yard sticks to measure peoples worth.

B.  When a woman has been raped or a victim of incest, she has been the victim of a terrifying act of violence of which she is a true victim. Tragically, we are some times faced with a second victim of this great crime committed by the rapist, a baby. While pregnancy is extremely rare from rape, it can happen. The cruelest thing that can happen to the women in question is to now be pitted against her child, who is the second victim. In several studies done across America, women who were encouraged to use abortion in such circumstances felt that they had been put through a second act of violence, the violence and pain of the mechanical rape of abortion. Worse than that, they stated feelings of being made into the victimizer of their own child. they felt that their baby had paid with his/her life for the crime of the rapist.

Meanwhile, mothers who found support to carry their children to term, whether they opted for adoption or kept their babies, felt that they'd turned something horrible into something life-giving. The key here is support for both victims, mother and child.


The Consequences of Roe v. Wade

46,023,191


Total Abortions since 1973



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This baby was aborted at 24 weeks. 1 in 10 woman give birth prematurely. More that 50% of twins and 90% of triplets and born preme.
24 weeks- 56% of babies survive if premature.
25 weeks- 79% of babies survive if premature.
How is this child not murdered?



“By all criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”
-Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman of the Department of Genetics.-



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2004-11-18 [RabidSphinx]: i love those pictures...the little baby in the man's hands was stripped from my profile though...

2004-11-20 [Cati the Chemist]:

Look at these pictures I found, their of aborted babied, totally horrific.....  http://www.armyofgod.com/BabySelect.html

2004-11-20 [Cati the Chemist]: they quite disturbing though, look at your own risk espascilly the "Baby Jacob" picture. *shutters*

2004-11-20 [RabidSphinx]: yes, i have seen those all...they are truely sick, and it's disgusting that someone could do that to a baby...baby Mary bothered me alot

2004-11-20 [Aurea]: Wow... My goodness... Those are... horrific... I shouldn't have looked at them when I was about to go to bed.

2004-11-20 [RabidSphinx]: how do Abortionists sleep?

2004-11-20 [Are you in?]: Cultutre of death

2004-11-20 [Aurea]: Actually, I read somewhere that a lot of the women who have abortions hate having it on their consciences. They end up absolutely hating themselves' for the rest of their lives... Some of them, anyways...

2004-11-20 [RabidSphinx]: yah, i have read that too, and that is nothing less than what they deserve

2004-11-20 [Lioness123]: God bless all the little children, all his precious little lambs, who are coming home to him.

2004-11-26 [paulvanderpool]: Pro life!!!

2004-11-26 [paulvanderpool]: I said some things to RainDrop @ the Pro-choice wiki, and i didn't know she was having a debat @ the time. I would like everyone to know that i am sorry, and if anyone caught what i said, the please don't b mad @ her. I made a mistake.

2004-11-26 [rocker_reject]: I forgive you paulvanderpool.....although i didn't catch it....

2004-11-29 [RabidSphinx]: an update...due to my fear of cirtain anti-pro-lifers, i have passworded this wiki since i don't want them killing my wiki like other people have to other wikis...if you want to join, leave a comment and i will add you

2004-12-03 [Nevermore.]: hey..can i join?

2004-12-03 [RabidSphinx]: sure thing...would you like a saying or something next to your name?

2004-12-03 [Nevermore.]: i will need to think on 1..thanx 4 joining me

2004-12-03 [RabidSphinx]: no prob....when you think of something, just message me and i will add it beside your name...and welcome to pro-life!

2004-12-03 [Nevermore.]: thankyou!!

2004-12-03 [RabidSphinx]: (^_^)

2004-12-03 [Nevermore.]: ^^

2004-12-03 [Nevermore.]: have u got like a banner page?

2004-12-03 [RabidSphinx]: naw...just the banners that on on the main...i have the swimmy sperm guy and the baby at the top

2004-12-03 [Nevermore.]: kool!! could i make another 1 4 u?

2004-12-03 [RabidSphinx]: YES! oh GOD yes...all i have is Paint so i can't do anything special...

2004-12-03 [Nevermore.]: ok! no prob

2004-12-03 [RabidSphinx]: yay! thank you sooooooo much...*hugs*

2004-12-03 [Nevermore.]: my first 1....<img:http://www.elfpack.com/img/photo/2231_1102109625.jpg>

2004-12-03 [RabidSphinx]: awwww! i love it!

2004-12-03 [Nevermore.]: hehe! thanx! im workin on more

2004-12-04 [rocker_reject]: awwww.....its cute!

2004-12-04 [RabidSphinx]: it is! *loves it*

2004-12-04 [rocker_reject]: babies are SOOOOOOOOO cute! they are little and so innocent

2004-12-04 [RabidSphinx]: i am "cyber pregnant" lol...my bf and i are having an online baby....lol....whoot! i love babies...they are sooooo cute!!

2004-12-04 [Lioness123]: one question...is that a copyrighted image? b/c if it is, I can't post it in my homepage or the guards will remove it..

2004-12-04 [rocker_reject]: haha...thats funny! i hope its super cuteq

2004-12-04 [RabidSphinx]: hmmm...well, i would say not since there isn't an artist given when you look at abortion pictures....they can be copyrighted to a book or site if they *own* the images, but most sites cycle images around and the true owners are lost...so will it be taken down? i do not *believe* so...i'm a rat, so i am *supposed* to report such things, and that is something hard to call...lemme ask the UAR...

2004-12-04 [RabidSphinx]: yes...[1st Font] looked at the image and told me that it is permited to be posted in houses...lets all thank [Nevermore.] for making the badge for us!

2004-12-04 [rocker_reject]: thank you [Nevermore.]!!!

2004-12-04 [Lioness123]: yay! three cheers for bloody valentine!

2004-12-04 [RabidSphinx]: hip hip!

2004-12-04 [RabidSphinx]: huray!

2004-12-04 [rocker_reject]: *hips and hurrays

2004-12-04 [RabidSphinx]: lol...we are an odd bunch...lol

2004-12-04 [rocker_reject]: yes we are *thinks about being odd

2004-12-04 [Nevermore.]: lol!! it was no problem!! im gonna c if i can make more

2004-12-04 [RabidSphinx]: alrighty

2004-12-04 [rocker_reject]: weeeeee

2004-12-04 [Nevermore.]: <img:http://www.elfpack.com/img/photo/2231_1102203292.jpg>

2004-12-04 [RabidSphinx]: awwww....*loves it*

2004-12-04 [Nevermore.]: hehe, np

2004-12-04 [RabidSphinx]: i am working on this wiki, making it look better i hope...so this wiki will be changing!

2004-12-04 [rocker_reject]: awwww.....its cute!

2004-12-04 [Nevermore.]: thanx

2004-12-05 [RabidSphinx]: okay...i changed a few things...i will do more soon...i hope it looks okay.

2004-12-05 [rocker_reject]: i think that it looks cool

2004-12-05 [RabidSphinx]: i have cool quotes and images i will post soon...i am just looking up more stuff. (^_^)

2004-12-05 [rocker_reject]: okay. cool

2004-12-05 [RabidSphinx]: "From the moment of conception, 46 chromosomes with 30,000 genes combine to determine all you physical characteristics: sex; facial features; body type; colour of hair; eyes and skin…"

2004-12-05 [RabidSphinx]: whoot! new images up on the image page...and a quote, and a few other things about...the member page is seperate now so you can add your own names now and a quote/ saying/ opion beside it if you like. i also have {true Stories@wiki] wiki where you can read some short paragraphs about different woman's feeling after having an abortion...

2004-12-05 [Aurea]: I have a true story to add, but since it's not mine, can it remain completely anonymous?

2004-12-05 [RabidSphinx]: yes...you may add it to the bottom and write -ANONYMOUS- under it...and if anyone else has a *short* abortion story you would like to add go ahead...but tell me first. i would like them to stay short because long stories tend to lose readers...if it is longer, but good, you may send it to me and i will add it as a page on the true stories wiki for you.

2004-12-05 [Aurea]: Actually, it's a story of someone who almost had an abortion... Does that work?

2004-12-05 [RabidSphinx]: yah...it works...as long as it supports the idea of "pro-life"

2004-12-20 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: they hve a right to live who are we to take it away from them

2004-12-20 [RabidSphinx]: *totally agrees...* the pro-choice wiki and it's members say they have the right to take that away from them...

2004-12-20 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: *totally agrees*it pains me to see it how can it not pain the ppl involved

2004-12-20 [Lioness123]: murder is murder any way you try and slice it

2004-12-20 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: yeah i think the partial abortions are disgraceful

2004-12-20 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: it makes me sad to think....

2004-12-20 [RabidSphinx]:

i will not stand for anyone going to the pro-choice wiki and defiling it, or vandalizing it. we here do not agree with them, but we RESPECT their rights...if any member of this wiki is caught doing such, i will have them booted of this site. and trust me, i have the power to do that. you may leave comments in a debate, but no flames, and no rude shout outs like "ABORTION IS MURDER!" or "YOU ARE ALL GOING TO HELL!" anyone caught flaming them will be kicked OFF this wiki...is this understood?

2004-12-20 [MangledKitty]: o.o...

2004-12-20 [FireGypsy]: *nods head*

2004-12-20 [MangledKitty]: :(

2004-12-20 [RabidSphinx]: i am not being mean, but i have to deal with stupid people on this site all night long and i do not want the crap i have to ban people for, happening in one of my OWN wikis...you all should know better and i am greatly disappointed in the people responsible for the pro-choice wiki's vandalization . they have been reported to the guards.

2004-12-20 [MangledKitty]: there was more than one?

2004-12-20 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: they??

2004-12-20 [RabidSphinx]: yes...i have had this happen before and i have had to publicly apolojize to the owner of pro-choice more than once....how do you think that makes me feel?

2004-12-20 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: thats gotta be awful

2004-12-20 [RabidSphinx]: especially since [Veltzeh] and i don't get along in the lease, me having to apologize to them for other peoples stupidity REALLY burns me.

2004-12-20 [MangledKitty]: yea :/

2004-12-21 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: u should make them go say sorry

2004-12-21 [RabidSphinx]: i would, but all i can do is ask them to say they are sorry, i can *make* them do it, nore can i *make* them feel sorry for what they did

2004-12-26 [gaither babe]: Wow I don't agree with what they did it was unreasonable... Even though in thier opinions im sure it was neccessary even though it could have been handled differently..... But I am all up for banning abortion. Certain circumstances sustained... But several women realize that abortion is murder... Why others do not see that is beyond proper thought. I cannot imagine how murdering an innocent child that hasnt even been givin a chance.... I cried when I saw those pictures and stories... Because I now have a 2 month 3 week and 4 day old newborn sister who smiles like an angel and giggles like shes the happyiest creature that exists... It pains me to see that a mother could truelly do this.....

2004-12-26 [RabidSphinx]: yes...it's a horrid thought...but some people are cold heartles people...could you imagine, someone that got an abortion, what kind of mother they would have been? i don't know which fate is worse for the child to be honest...

2004-12-28 [MagpieProphet]: excuse me. i think that it would be a good idea to put a warning at the top of this page: GRAPHIC IMAGES or something like that.

2004-12-28 [RabidSphinx]: you come to a "pro-life" anything whether it is a website, book, or panflet, there are graphic images...it's the nature of the shock value tactic we have adopted in our fight against abortion. it should be expected....but sure...if you insist....there....happy?

2005-01-03 [RabidSphinx]:

WE NOW HAVE 30 MEMBERS! YAY! AND THIS WIKI HAS BEEN NOMINATED FOR BEST WIKI IN THE EP AWARDS! I HOPE YOU ALL VOTE FOR THIS ONE! PARTY TIME!!!!!

2005-01-03 [rocker_reject]: YAYAYAYAY!!!

2005-01-04 [elsie2005]: those pics r so grose! AND disturbing!

2005-01-04 [RabidSphinx]: they are...thus why there are wornings and most of the images are on seperate pages...but they show you just what abortion is and just what they want to make legal

2005-01-04 [elsie2005]: its so wrong! i cant have kids. but if i cud i wud NEVA abort even if i was only 10 years old. its disgusting!

2005-01-04 [RabidSphinx]: you can't have kids, like, physically? my friend can't ever have kids either and it makes her sad at times. and i agree, it is VERY disgusting...the partial birth abortions disturb me the most and that is what they are trying to legalize...

2005-01-04 [rocker_reject]: my cousin can't either...

2005-01-04 [RabidSphinx]: and think, we know all these women that CAN'T have children of their own, and would give ANYTHING to have one, and yet there are people out there that have abortions just because they find the baby inconvenient...i think abortions should be permanent...you get one and you can NEVER have a baby again....there are plenty of families out there, like the women we know that can't have kids, who would be more than willing to adopt a newborn baby...my friend Nicki was born to a 16 year old girl who gave her up at birth, and i thank god that Nicki's real mother didn't think abortion was "okay" or i wouldn't have a great friend today...and it makes you think what all those aborted babies could have

2005-01-04 [RabidSphinx]: been...doctors, mothers, bestfriends....maybe one would have been the next mozart or something...we will never know if one of them would have been the one to find a cure for AIDS or something because their mothers killed them

2005-01-04 [Bad Stone]: my best friend was nearly aborted...when you abort a baby you seriously effect the future, maybe thats why this world is currently so fucked up.

2005-01-04 [RabidSphinx]: *nods* we don't know if the babies were to be of good or bad to the world, but we didn't give them the chance they deserved and had every right to...you have to remember, all the people who are "pro-abortion" had to be born first to live to make that decision...

2005-01-05 [rocker_reject]: but a woman may want a child later in the future....and i think that if a woman wants an abortion then the doctors should make them watch a video of an abortion and wait 72 hours before they come back....

2005-01-05 [Bad Stone]: but remember the doctor is going to be PAID to do the abortion, so of course they would never do that.

2005-01-05 [RabidSphinx]: i don't think a woman has the right to say, "i don't want this baby, but i want that one" you have a choice, you have the baby, or you don't have children...i think it's a fair conciquence for murdering your child...you will never be incovenionced again and never bothered by it ever again...a woman that is willing to abort a child is not a fit mother...

2005-01-05 [elsie2005]: they have a right to say that but if they have an abortion, then hav another baby its unfair because they didnt give their first baby a chance at life but they gave their second baby a chance of life.

2005-01-05 [rocker_reject]: but what if they abort the first for medical reasons but then they want one in the future? I ONLY support medical reasons to have an abortion....

2005-01-05 [Aurea]: That's pretty much my idea too. If the woman has less than a... 30-40% chance to live, she can abort it (being as, if she doesn't live, the chances of the baby making it are equally slim), and... I'm still undecided about rape victims, but otherwise, it should be completely and totally illegal.

2005-01-05 [RabidSphinx]: if the woman does it for medical/health reasons, that is different than if she does it because she doesn't want to be pregnant or want the baby, or whatever other excuse they use...their abortions should be permanent

2005-01-06 [rocker_reject]: anyway...how are you guys?

2005-01-06 [Lioness123]: I'm good, yerself?

2005-01-06 [RabidSphinx]: nice to interupt a discussion [rocker_reject].....i had my wiki on topic for the first time in weeks and you have to change topic....

2005-01-06 [Irishpixie]: I was raped about 3 years ago and I thought very very hard about what i would do if I got pregnant and there was just no way i could ever abort a baby that was living in me even if it was a child of rape it is still a child! Because you can always give the baby up for adoption, but that issue is hard for alot of women since its hard enough to get your life going again once you get raped let alone to have to carry a baby for 9 months as a result of the rape.

2005-01-06 [Bad Stone]: yet still some find it healing to have a child within them, and even out of something horrible something wonderful can come out of it. and the mother probably give it up, which is a very hard thing to do, but if they are still a student its probably best for both of them...but it must be very hard to do :/

2005-01-06 [RabidSphinx]: but if it weren't for a woman being strong after rape and giving her baby up, i wouldn't have a good friend

2005-01-06 [rocker_reject]: sorry rainedrop...but it got a little annoying coming here and seeing tons of writing on something that we all pretty much agree upon

2005-01-06 [RabidSphinx]: then add a thought, don't change the subject...

2005-01-06 [rocker_reject]: but why do you have to be debating on something that we all agree on? if your not but it sounds like you are........and i have.....

2005-01-06 [RabidSphinx]: then say nothing at all...it's quite simple...this is my wiki, and i would like to keep it on topic for ONCE...since partial birth abortion is a hot topic right now i would LIKE to talk about it on my pro-life wiki...but, if that upsets you, we can drop it and talk about something pointless like the weather...

2005-01-06 [rocker_reject]: okay fine

2005-01-06 [Irishpixie]: me too rainedrop i have 2 friends who were kids of a rape one of them was given away for adoption and the others mom decided that she would keep her, as i would have done if i had gotten pregnant from it.

2005-01-06 [Bad Stone]: my best friend as well...but she was adopted...her (real) mother was only 19!

2005-01-06 [RabidSphinx]: i would keep the child as long as i had to money to raise it and give it a decent life...if i were in so much of a hole that i couldn't, i would give it up...and my one friend's mother was 16 when my friend was born, but 15 when she got pregnant...

2005-01-07 [Lioness123]: I knew a 14 year old who got pregnant. we went to middle school together. She was NOT raped though.

2005-01-07 [Aurea]: yeah... One of my former friends' sisters got pregnant. I don't kknow for sure, but I'm NEARLY positive it wasn't by rape... I think she was hoping to have it aborted, but her parents wouldn't let her (good for them!).

2005-01-07 [RabidSphinx]: yeah...good for them....my BF had a baby when he was 13...she is 2 1/2 now, named folicia...and he finally was allowed to meet her

2005-01-07 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: o..k... i guess its possible its a good thing he met her

2005-01-07 [RabidSphinx]: the mother ran off...she told him, he got worried but apparently offered to support her, but she got a new BF who was older than her and who could support her better, and just dissapeared...(they lived in london UK at the time) so when he learned he was moving to the states he tracked her down to tell her he was leaving and she let him meet Falicia

2005-01-08 [FireGypsy]: ohhh booyy you guys should come to my school lol. Every tenth person to walk by is pregnant. Its like the new trend or something. And they are ages 15-17. yeah very responsible right?

2005-01-08 [RabidSphinx]: we have 5 pregnat girls right now...but most around here get abortions before anyone knows they're pregnat

2005-01-09 [FireGypsy]: well these girls are walking around in packs lol all with their huge bellies. I feel bad for one of them which ive know since forever. Her boyfriend and her broke up shortly after and now she has to care for it by herself.

2005-01-09 [Aurea]: As far as I know, it's not that common in my school... Then again, I usually don't hear rumors and gossip of that sort, so... I wouldn't know, and generally speaking, I'm not friends with the kind of person who risks getting pregnant...

2005-01-09 [RabidSphinx]: i wish i could say the same, but not being friends with people that are at risk would mean i would have no friends at school...i'm almost 19 and one of the only virgins in my WHOLE school...

2005-01-10 [Lioness123]: wow, thats sad that so many gave up their virginity at so young an age.

2005-01-10 [RabidSphinx]: it is...it really is, and most of them regret it...all my friends have confessed to me that they wish they had waited, or that they had listened/believed me when i had told them to wait and that they would regret not waiting....they never believe me that at 14 years old, the boy they have been dating for 2 weeks probably isn't the one they will spend the rest of their lives with, and giving it up to them after a party or something is stupid and not worth it

2005-01-10 [Irishpixie]: wow i was 18 when i lost mine, i couldnt even imagine having lost it at 14 or 15, i was still sickened by boys hehe!

2005-01-10 [RabidSphinx]: lol...i was willing to date then, but not have sex...my body physically wasn't ready...(i was a real late bloomer)

2005-01-10 [Irishpixie]: my body came way too fast for my liking! i was a huge tomboy for so long, and I was always one of the guys so i just was grossed out about even thinking about it! hehe!

2005-01-10 [RabidSphinx]: i didn't mature until i was older that 16...i still have no boobs...(>.<)

2005-01-10 [Lioness123]: raine, you're not the only one... I'm thinking about getting implants when I'm older and after I've had kids

2005-01-10 [RabidSphinx]: if i weren't poorer than dirt, i would get implants...as it is, my family is living from paycheck to paycheck...

2005-01-10 [Irishpixie]: i was a b, when i was a teenager and i had a kid 3 years ago and now i am too big for my liking, hehe they never went back to normal!

2005-01-10 [RabidSphinx]: i'm not an A yet...i like to joke saying i'm "working on it" but i'm not...i will always be boobless...*sighs*

2005-01-10 [Irishpixie]: *pats your back* its ok dont let it get you down

2005-01-10 [RabidSphinx]: it does get me down though...it depresses me to no end...*sighs* well, on a happier note...the Elfpack awards are up now...vote for this wiki as Best wiki award and for me at Cutest girl award if you think i deserve it....*sighs*

2005-01-10 [Irishpixie]: I just went and voted!!

2005-01-10 [rocker_reject]: *pants irish on back* good for you!

2005-01-11 [RabidSphinx]: lol....thanks...we all should vote for this wiki! or, well, if you like one of the other wiki nominated more vote for them i guess, but i voted for this one...(^_^)

2005-01-14 [rocker_reject]: i think i will right ow

2005-01-17 [Big Brother]: i have been to a few pro-life walks at parlement hill on ottawa (canada) the turnout is always amaizing.

2005-01-17 [RabidSphinx]: that's awesome! i always wanted to do that!

2005-01-17 [Big Brother]: i have a few pictures of us at the walk for life. i'm not in any of cource cause i had the camera.

2005-01-17 [RabidSphinx]: aww...i would take SOOOOOO many pictures...lol

2005-01-17 [Big Brother]: <img:http://jon.usethis.com/albums/Jon-really-old/Brian_Johan_Jess_Nick.jpg>  this is a group of my friends when we were on parlement hill. there were a few thousand people there.

2005-01-17 [Big Brother]: even though it doesn't look like it

2005-01-17 [RabidSphinx]: woot!!! awesome!!!! but iu want to see my sexy -battleboy!

2005-01-17 [Big Brother]: ...i'll look but i don't think there is one with me..........

2005-01-17 [Big Brother]: sorry Raine couldn't find one. but i did find an old pic of me with longer hair and my 7 foot lizard...wanna see that one?

2005-01-17 [RabidSphinx]: hahaha! sure...send it to me in a message though...(^_^)

2005-01-17 [Big Brother]: kk.

2005-01-25 [Sunrose]: Uhm I can't award this wiki since I can't edit it :)

2005-01-25 [Big Brother]: even with all your vast powers? well i guess Raine will just have to fix that then eh.

2005-01-26 [Whim]: "While white women obtain 60% of all abortions, their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely."

2005-01-26 [Whim]: Will someone please explain to me how that "fact" makes any sense. It's implying that black women make up for 240% of abortions and hispanic women make up for roughly 120% of abortions.

2005-01-26 [Whim]: Now lets do the math. White, black, and hispanic women make up for 420% of all abortions.

2005-01-26 [RabidSphinx]: yeah...that one fact i got from a book and i just couldn't understand it for the life of me...i was debating on taking it down when i put the site together, but i forgot all about it because of something else happening...i think the fact was just misstyped, but i can't honestly tell you [Whim]

2005-01-26 [Whim]: Well, as it stands, it's a completely wrong fact. You should change it or take it down. It really blows the entire credibility of the site away.

2005-01-26 [RabidSphinx]: *shrugs* alright whim...

2005-01-26 [Cati the Chemist]: i remember i used to be pro-chioce because i thought the government should stay out of a womans thought on how she handels her body, but after i found out how SICK abortion was, i immediatly went pro-life, and i have a stupid fememist friend who says we need a woman in office, who Hillary? *laughs* it doesnt matter whos in office man or woman both understand that abortion is MURDER!

2005-01-26 [RabidSphinx]: i agree with you, i was all for pro-choice, until i looked into just how abortions were done....it made me feel ill...and if there is to be a woman as president for the *first time* i would rather it NOT be that horrible woman Hillary...in all honesty, there are a *lot* of other *actual* minorities that i would rather see in such a position first

2005-01-26 [Whim]: so basically you were both pro-choice until one day you realized that some things in life aren't pretty?

2005-01-26 [RabidSphinx]: no, until i realized what i was agreeing to let people *choose* to do...

2005-01-26 [Whim]: no, what you said was that you were ok with it until you learned HOW they do it. As in, you learned about the process and realized it was icky, right?

2005-01-26 [RabidSphinx]: no, more like i was like, yay, free chice...then i read up on what abortion is, and THEN how that works, and i was like, wait, that isn't choice, that's murder

2005-01-26 [Whim]: as opposed to before when you just assumed the fetuses just magically disappeared?

2005-01-26 [RabidSphinx]: i naver gave it any thought...i was, like, 12...

2005-01-27 [Whim]: well, either way, you probably really are somewhat influenced by gross pictures and gore, whether you'd like to believee that or not. And just so you know, half those pictures are crap. No one except really shitty doctors who work out of back alleys or in third world countries would purposely abort a child that had developed that much in the womb. If those children were aborted at that size, they were aborted by accident, by the mother, or by a questionable doctor.

2005-01-27 [RabidSphinx]: no, it's called "partial birth abortion" and those images were taken years ago, before they made it illegal, and that is something they are *trying* to make legal again...

2005-01-27 [Whim]: "they"? Well, guess what. It probably won't happen. It's illegal now. The odds of it becoming legal again are slim to none. It would take another 10-20 years for someone to reverse that decision effectively.

2005-01-27 [Aurea]: It's easier to inforce something being legal than illegal.

2005-01-27 [Whim]: That doesn't mean it will happen.

2005-01-27 [RabidSphinx]: i *hope* it doesn't happen...but it never hurts to raise the voter's awareness of what it is anyways...

2005-01-27 [Bad Stone]: okay...that fact that you couldnt firgure out means this, blank% is by this group and blank% by this group and blank% by another group, since hispanics and blacks are a minority even though their precentage is smaller because of the fact that there are less blacks in the country then white its more common for a black woman to have one then a white women to have one, on a one on one basis, ones a picture of the whole, the other relative to the amount of a certian minority, it makes sense, just makes you think a little

2005-01-28 [Whim]: regardless of what the statement is MEANT to say, the way it's written is completely wrong.

2005-01-28 [RabidSphinx]: sorry...i don't know if *i* coppied that fact out of a book, or just cut it from a website...either way it's my fault and i fixed it...

2005-01-28 [Bad Stone]: not really, its in two separate parts, one looking at it from a general view of a america, another part is looking at each part individualy, I didnt have must trouble figuring it out *shrug*

2005-02-02 [rocker_reject]: its okay raine

2005-02-04 [~black*love~]: i could so totally cry right now....

2005-02-04 [~Dark Bunny~]: OMG i cry every time i look at this but its so real

2005-02-04 [RabidSphinx]: i'm sorry...it is rather graphic, but some people *need* to see it to understand exaclty what abortion is

2005-02-04 [RabidSphinx]:

Abortion vs Life is the topic of debate in the agree to disagree wiki...feel free to join the debate!

2005-02-04 [Aurea]: Hey, Raine... I don't suppose you have specific sources on all of your information on the page, do you? I'm doing a research project and this is all very helpful information, but I need a bibliography... That might also decrease criticism you get of your facts, if you were to put that up on a separate page somewhere...

2005-02-04 [RabidSphinx]: i should do that...um...lemme see if i can find the sites...here is one... http://www.prolife.com/ it has a whole bunch of links...my research paper was 20 pages long...how long is yours?

2005-02-04 [Bad Stone]: they had dobson on fox today, he is part of a program to give mothers a look at there beby with ultrasound before making the choice, he said they have saved 2,900 already- but thats less then how many are made daily. its sad...

2005-02-04 [Aurea]: Well, it's actually a... speech more... And it can't be more than three minutes long... We're doing parliamentary procedure stuff... And we're discussin 12 topics in 4 days, so time is limited... Thanks.

2005-02-10 [battle_droid]: That 24 week child was aborted at the same age as I was born. And fifteen years ago, the care for premies was not as good as it is now; and I survived. my mother would have been devestated if I had died, and here are people killing their children!!!!That is so wrong!!!

2005-02-11 [RabidSphinx]: *hugs [battle_droid]* wow, that is so amazing! you are a mirical baby! but you are right...that image is to show that people are aborting babies at the same ages that, if left alone, could have lived, even outside their mother's womb...it makes my stomach hurt just thinking about it

2005-02-14 [The Gaurdian]: i am pro-life, for unborn childeren, but i do support death to high crime criminals, and bankers.

2005-02-14 [Lioness123]: on a lighter note, Happy Valentines Day yall!

2005-02-14 [rocker_reject]: haven't been here in a while lol dido lioness

2005-02-15 [RabidSphinx]: thank you lioness...and i too am pro-life...this being my wiki after all, but i am for capital punishment...any eye for an eye, life for a life.......one that murders is nolonger innocent and worthy of the mercy of life...killing someone takes away your rights...you already decided your life is more important than that other persons, and i believe in correcting that person's missconception by showing them that they are just as deserving of death

2005-02-15 [Lioness123]: I believe cold out first degree murder is worthy of the death penalty, but there are so many things to consider before-hand

2005-02-15 [The Gaurdian]: i think taht we need to liven up the death penalty and start doing crusafixtions again...

2005-02-15 [Lioness123]: YIKES!

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