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This Wiki is for Pro-life (anti abortion) supporters to come and be part of a community. I am merely giving you facts. You may decide for yourselves what side you chose. Life, or Choice. There is also Pro-Choice League for those of you who see nothing wrong with what you see and read here.


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Pro-Life Members

Join us in the fight against baby Genocide.

Pro-Life Badges

Badges for you all to post in your houses...Submissions are welcome!

Image Gallery

CAUTION!!!! GRAPHIC IMAGES of aborted babies. Submissions welcome.

Abortions

What is an abortion? here are the different kinds and all they entail.

Partial Birth Abortions

shows what a partial birth abortion is using a diagram, no horrific pictures...

Statistics on Abortions in the U.S.

Here are some statistics from 1996 and on.

True Stories

Woman tell what it's like to live after having an abortion.

Alive and kicking!

A collection of several stories, told by those who survived their mothers tying to abort them!!!


"Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born."
-Ronald Reagan-
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“I have learned from my earliest medical education that human life begins at the time of conception.
I submit that human life is present throughout this entire sequence from conception to adulthood and any interruption at any point constitutes a termination of a human life.”

-Dr. Jerome LeJeune, genetics professor at the University of Descartes in Paris (discoverer of the Down Syndrome chromosome)-



What is the pro-life response to abortionists' arguments?


Pro-abortion advocates consistently rely on the same arguments they have used for decades. What follows is these arguments broken down into their 5 basic forms, and the corresponding pro-life answer to these claims.


1.  [Claim:] 'It's not a baby/person - it's just a blob of tissue'

  [Response:]

When a woman is pregnant, science tells us that the new life she carries is a complete and fully new human being from the moment of fertilization. By the time most abortions can be performed, the baby already has a beating heart and identifiable brain waves. The baby living in her mother is as distinct and unique a new person/human being as you are from me, and as deserving of protection under the law as we are. 

The baby every mother carries as she faces a life and death decision has a beating heart at 18 days after fertilization and brain waves as early as six weeks after fertilization. Most abortions are not performed until nine weeks of the pregnancy. Even RU 486 chemical abortions can't be done until after six weeks.


2.  [Claim:] 'It's my body/ a women's choice'

  [Response:]

Every mother is faced with profound decisions to make for herself and her child but these decisions can never include the right to kill her baby. Mothers facing difficult pregnancies require accurate and compassionate information about the facts of fetal development as well as the practical help that is available to them through the more than 3,000 mother helping centers around the USA. Mothers have a right to be fully informed about the facts at least 24 hours before making this life or death decision for themselves and their child.


3.  [Claim:] 'What will we do with all the unwanted kids?' (Poor babies, overpopulation, abuse, etc.)

  [Response:]

We will never end poverty in our world simply by killing poor children. The poor mother who is encouraged to have an abortion today is just as poor tomorrow. Problems such as lack of job security, education, or abuse are not cured by ignoring their existence in a woman's life and turning to abortion as a way to make it all "go away."

The problem is lack of development -- not population. What women of the world desire are good basic health care for themselves and their families. In those countries where abortion is not legal, it is often because of strong cultural and religious beliefs that respect each new life. That respect needs to be backed up with wiser development plans not more dangerous and deadly abortion activity. In countries where there is not even the guarantee of clean running water, abortion will only become a death sentence for third world women and their babies.


4.  [Claim:] 'If abortion is made illegal women will die in back alleys'

  [Response:]

The numbers often used by pro-abortionists to back their claims are vast fabrications mostly made up by the pro-abortion lobby as admitted by Dr. Bernard Nathanson, founder of NARAL. The real numbers of deaths before 1973 are shockingly different.  Thirty-nine women died of illegal abortions in 1972, the year before Roe v Wade. Those are thirty-nine tragedies along with their thirty-nine children who also died because of abortion's violence. The true reason the deaths have decreased from abortion isn't legalization, it was the widespread introduction of antibiotics into medicine that saved the lives of women who would have otherwise died of botched abortions. In fact, the main forms of abortions have changed very little since the middle of this century! The only thing that legalizing abortion did was to give abortionists the right to hang their shingle on the front door and stop using the back alley!

Mothers deserve better answers than the death of their children through the violence of abortion, legal or illegal. Help us support the work of the more than 3,000 mother helping centers committed to providing real life affirming options for these women and their families.


5.  [Claim:] 'What about a woman who's been raped/incest or carrying a disabled/sick child? (the hard cases)'

  [Response:]

A.  We don't cure illness by killing the patient. Aborting a child with a disability or illness is the height of prejudice. When a family learns that the child they are expecting may have a special need, that family needs support and good solid medical information -- not the death of their most fragile member. Society must flee this attitude that uses arbitrary yard sticks to measure peoples worth.

B.  When a woman has been raped or a victim of incest, she has been the victim of a terrifying act of violence of which she is a true victim. Tragically, we are some times faced with a second victim of this great crime committed by the rapist, a baby. While pregnancy is extremely rare from rape, it can happen. The cruelest thing that can happen to the women in question is to now be pitted against her child, who is the second victim. In several studies done across America, women who were encouraged to use abortion in such circumstances felt that they had been put through a second act of violence, the violence and pain of the mechanical rape of abortion. Worse than that, they stated feelings of being made into the victimizer of their own child. they felt that their baby had paid with his/her life for the crime of the rapist.

Meanwhile, mothers who found support to carry their children to term, whether they opted for adoption or kept their babies, felt that they'd turned something horrible into something life-giving. The key here is support for both victims, mother and child.


The Consequences of Roe v. Wade

46,023,191


Total Abortions since 1973



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This baby was aborted at 24 weeks. 1 in 10 woman give birth prematurely. More that 50% of twins and 90% of triplets and born preme.
24 weeks- 56% of babies survive if premature.
25 weeks- 79% of babies survive if premature.
How is this child not murdered?



“By all criteria of modern molecular biology, life is present from the moment of conception.”
-Dr. Hymie Gordon, Chairman of the Department of Genetics.-



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Thank you for coming to my wiki. I hope you learned something and made a good choice.

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http://www.nrlc.org/
http://www.prolife.com/
http://www.prolife.org.uk/
http://www.prolifeaction.org/
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2005-05-17 [Morning Rose]: O.o

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: i likes hugs

2005-05-18 [Morning Rose]: meh...

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: sometimes i need them...like now

2005-05-18 [Morning Rose]: *big hug*

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: *hugs back* thanks

2005-05-18 [Morning Rose]: anything you wanna talk about?

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: not really...(^_^)....join the NRLC.... www.nrlc.org

2005-05-18 [Morning Rose]: :)

2005-05-18 [..Gone..]: *hugs Raine*

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: thank you...(^_^)

2005-05-18 [..Gone..]: :) Q?

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: a?

2005-05-18 [..Gone..]: question? lol

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: answer?

2005-05-18 [..Gone..]: o.O ok, 1 - is there a pro-life on Elftown? and 2 - may I use the name Raine in a book I'm writing?

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: yus, pro-life is a wiki on ET but i don't like it much...all opinions, no facts...just a buch of people saying, "i hate abortions" and that's it...feel free to look into it though....and Raine? um...i guess you could...why?

2005-05-18 [..Gone..]: I needed a name for a girl in my book and I really like Raine.. lol

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: well, since i already have a book with a girl named Raine, i would say not...:/....can't you think of a name youlike just as well?

2005-05-18 [..Gone..]: I had a weird one, but I kept forgetting it... o.O wow...

2005-05-18 [RabidSphinx]: wow?

2005-05-18 [..Gone..]: I just remembered something that Ive been trying to...

2005-05-19 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: u cud call em alliandra or alexa/alexis o btw this is twightlight lol changed name

2005-05-19 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: **hugz raine**

2005-05-19 [..Gone..]: I was thiking Alex, for Alexandra

2005-05-20 [RabidSphinx]: i like Alexandra, because then i shortan it to Xander...(^_^) awesome name for a girl

2005-05-20 [..Gone..]: I'm making a poll on it, I suck at names >.<

2005-05-20 [RabidSphinx]: lol...i am one chapter away from completing the writing portion of my book!!!!!!!!!

2005-05-20 [..Gone..]: O.O

2005-05-20 [RabidSphinx]: woooooooooot!!!

2005-05-20 [..Gone..]: LOL

2005-05-20 [Morning Rose]: Name her Lily

2005-05-20 [RabidSphinx]: i'm not fond of flower names...

2005-05-20 [..Gone..]: O.o pretty

2005-05-20 [Morfeaohtarawen]: lily is pretty

2005-05-20 [Lateralus]: DUDE, WHO MADE THIS WIKI? ITS GREAT! iM FULL THROTLLE FOR IT, LETS MAKE THIS MOVEMENT BIGGER!

2005-05-21 [Morning Rose]: O.O

2005-05-21 [RabidSphinx]: i made this wiki...spent alot of time working on it, and am still adding to it. i am glad you like it.

2005-05-21 [Morfeaohtarawen]: how can we expand?

2005-05-22 [RabidSphinx]: i do not know...any suggestions?

2005-05-22 [Morning Rose]: o.O nope

2005-05-22 [RabidSphinx]: hmmm...

2005-05-22 [Morning Rose]: *thinks hard*

2005-05-22 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: u know what you were saying bout the name alexandra THATS MY NAME :D

2005-05-22 [..Gone..]: Take my poll then. ^-^

2005-05-22 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: lol i had a brainwave if women got pregnant frm rape why dnt they have the baby and do a dna test on it to find out who raped them 1 to stop the rapist from having other victims and 2 for help with the money HOW GD IS THAT^^

2005-05-22 [Morning Rose]: SOme people do

2005-05-22 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: thats smarter than aborting them poor babies

2005-05-22 [Morfeaohtarawen]: sound's like a plan, at lest it will clear the innocent

2005-05-22 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: at least that would be one less awful personin the world it might only help one person from being a victim but thats one less

2005-05-22 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: plus you would have some money to raise this child unless this person had spent it all WOW i do have a brain just an old model

2005-05-24 [RabidSphinx]: read claim #5 on this wiki, about Rape....see how aborting the baby effects the raped mother...

2005-05-25 [Morfeaohtarawen]: that's where i read that

2005-05-26 [RabidSphinx]: it is more of a crime to kill a child of rape than it is to rape the woman...violation does NOT equal MURDER...

2005-05-27 [rocker_reject]: and it would be worst for the woman because then she would think of the child she murdered and then the raping and so technically having an abortion because you were raped is far off worst...

2005-05-27 [RabidSphinx]: suicide amongst raped woman that have had abortions is far higher than that of woman that were raped and didn't....they often relapse into a deeper depression and never fully recover. sooo many end up just killing themselves over it...their pain of being raped then killing her child (they usually see it as “killing”, not the "pro-choice" view of it just being a "clump of cells") often just drives her over the edge….

2005-05-28 [Morfeaohtarawen]: if they keep the child, they have someone to make them smile

2005-05-29 [RabidSphinx]: exactly, or they can give the child up and know that that child brought joy to *someone's* life

2005-06-12 [Yes, I've left.]: hay...I am one of very few of my friends who are actually against abortion.. I think rape one of the most awful things and am totally with you on your thoughts here. However I am still not sure whether I am for or against it when it is between life and death for the mother. I like to say I am totally against abortion, but if the mother dies during childbirth, what of the baby? Might it not grow up feeling guilty even if they have no reason? What if family are not sypathetic and turn against them? Or what if the baby dies with their mother? Two lives lost instead of one. I guess ths means I am for abortion here however much I hate to admit it...

2005-06-12 [Yes, I've left.]: hmmm...sorry that was so long!

2005-06-12 [Morfeaohtarawen]: that's a lot of of rare circumstances, mothers have been dying for a long time (that's what a banshee is in fact the spirit of a woman who died during childbirth). that's sad because the mother will have to live with a type of survivors guilt. in other words, everyone gets screwed over. :'''(

2005-06-14 [RabidSphinx]: the Banshee is a Fairy...woot! it's hard, but less than 6% of all abortions are under such cercomstances

2005-06-14 [Aurea]: Well, if the mother dies, it automatically becomes more likely that the child will, I assume. Anyone able to say I'm wrong? Which, to me, makes it okay to save the mother; if you can save either person (mother or child), do so.

2005-06-14 [RabidSphinx]: the hospitals now make it so losing a baby is rare, even with the mother's death

2005-06-15 [Serif]: Say no to sex with Pro-Lifers..... =p.

2005-06-15 [Yes, I've left.]: ...or use a condom.......lol

2005-06-15 [Aurea]: That's not even a guarantee, though.

2005-06-15 [Yes, I've left.]: true....but if used properly it has hardly any chance of breaking etc.

2005-06-15 [RabidSphinx]: it's better to use one than not to...as long as you have a back up plan incase it fails that does NOT inclued abortion

2005-06-16 [Morfeaohtarawen]: never use 2 condoms

2005-06-20 [rocker_reject]: using 2 diff kinds of contreception is the best thing. latex condom and something for the female like the pill or a diaphram and or spermicide....

2005-06-25 [RabidSphinx]: using the "pill" and then a condom with spermicide in it would be anyone's best bet...the pill is very effective, and the condom protects against alot of different STDs and helps against AIDS...the spermicide kills the sperm, (or is intended to atleast) so that is only an added protection should the condom tear, rip, leak, or break

2005-06-27 [rocker_reject]: prescribed things are also the best like diaphrams and the pill and diff things like that

2005-06-27 [RabidSphinx]: true, BUT the diaphram has a lower success % than condoms AND they do not protect against most STDs...

2005-06-30 [Morfeaohtarawen]: or...no sex at all, that's definatly the best bet

2005-06-30 [Morfeaohtarawen]: can i use some of these pictures on my elftown page?

2005-06-30 [RabidSphinx]: yes, i agree, no sex is best if you are not ready to face the concequences of your actions......and the images? sure you may...(^_^)

2005-07-03 [Morfeaohtarawen]: thank you

2005-07-04 [The Gaurdian]: sex is fun, unless you get it every damn night for a month or two straight.

2005-07-05 [rocker_reject]: .............................................................................................................

2005-07-05 [RabidSphinx]: um...that's nice [The Gaurdian]...thanks for sharing...but maybe you should *think* before you write a comment here....

2005-07-07 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: Um thats just not what you put here[The Gaurdian]

2005-07-07 [Morfeaohtarawen]: we have words for people who talk like "oh, i'm such a whore". i recently say something on commercial sex in africa and it's really really disturbing

2005-07-08 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: I got told by a friend that watched this program that said almost every african girl from 18 -> sleeps with a different man every night

2005-07-09 [RabidSphinx]: in africa it is thought that raping a virgin will cure you of AIDS

2005-07-09 [Bad Stone]: I know a girl that lives in africa because her parents are missionarys, its horrible she doesnt tell her parents but if she CANT go out at night without a really strong big man protecting her, she had men try to rape her alot, her friends have been raped by people she had to run from, its so horrible...and she cant do anything about it

2005-07-09 [RabidSphinx]: it's horrid there...i wouldn't go there if you PAID me

2005-07-09 [Bad Stone]: I know, I worry about her all the time shes so nice and I feel so bad

2005-07-09 [RabidSphinx]: will she ever leave Africa? or any time soon at least?

2005-07-10 [Bad Stone]: well...for college she is...but thats not for another year, the worst part is even when she is cornered or grabbed she can scream and scream fight kick bite anything, but no one pays attention, even on a main road they all just turn their heads...ugh it pisses me off

2005-07-10 [RabidSphinx]: i know about that...it's horrid...

2005-07-18 [Echo Rhapsody]: Sign me up for this wiki.....gawd, its sick what some people do to living beings

2005-07-18 [..Gone..]: Yes it is.

2005-07-18 [RabidSphinx]: sorry [The Gaurdian], i don't need nor want bitching in my wiki

2005-07-19 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: hi wuts up?

2005-07-20 [alyssajane.]: hi ppl

2005-07-20 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: wuts goin on?

2005-08-07 [Candy2021]: my pro life breathern. you are not alone. http://pro-life.deviantart.com/

2005-08-08 [Morfeaohtarawen]: huraaah shot i forget this really great site now... i'll look it up thogh it's on my elftown wiki, {abortion is wrong}... i think it was abortionfacts.com or .org

2005-08-16 [No Longer Used x]: thing is...i agree with abortions wennits rape coz i kno i would get flashbks wne eva i saw tha baby bt i dnt agree with people aborting a baby bcoz it was to "inconvinient" 4 thm HELLO HAVE THEY HEARD OF CONTRACEPTION???

2005-08-16 [..Gone..]: I don't see why you'd get flashbacks. If you looked at it in a good way, a baby would be one good thing that came out of a horrible experience.

2005-08-16 [RabidSphinx]: exactly...that is why i'm against it even if it IS rape...

2005-08-16 [..Gone..]: Yeah..

2005-08-16 [No Longer Used x]: im sorry thats wat i think..i kno i culdnt b able 2 love tha kid and ye i wanna kid wen im olda and all bt i dno until ur in tha position i guess u dnt really kno

2005-08-16 [..Gone..]: Just because you don't love the kid, don't kill it. Give it up for adoption.

2005-08-16 [RabidSphinx]: learn to type PLEASE or do not comment in my wiki.....................in responce to what you attempted to say, one can never be sure of how they would feel about something until it happens. but could you honestly live with yourself after you killed your own child that didn't ask to be created any more than you did? the high suicide rates of raped women that have had abortions speaks for it's self

2005-08-16 [No Longer Used x]: bt in sum cases tha culd b harder coz u dnt kno were its gonna go 2 if u kno wat i mean yea i love lil kids and i dnt lyk abortion bt i can c y ppl wuld ave an abortion in tha case im not sayign I WOULD im jst saying thats wat ppl sum tyms do which i think is sum tyms betta

2005-08-16 [No Longer Used x]: yea i know that oh well i guess we cant have our OWN opinions in this wiki can we??

2005-08-16 [RabidSphinx]: you can have your own opinion, and i am stating in MY wiki, that i disagree with you, which is fully within my right as the page monitor and owner to do. and my rule still stands. learn to type like an adult or leave my wiki. i do not want to have to de-code your comments to see what the heck you are even saying

2005-08-16 [No Longer Used x]: ok ok i did type properly in the last message anyway...well i guess im off this now but my name still stands because as i said in some ways acceptable and in others not

2005-08-16 [RabidSphinx]: no, you are pro-choice...you are not against abortion, you believe that a woman has the CHOICE of having one if she is raped....

2005-08-16 [No Longer Used x]: yea right..thanks for that

2005-08-16 [RabidSphinx]: just pointing out your contradictions...

2005-08-17 [No Longer Used x]: kk w.e

2005-08-21 [{{Brittney}}]: i would really like to join this wiki

2005-08-21 [No Longer Used x]: go on then!

2005-08-29 [RabidSphinx]: feel free to join the members page...(^_^) new members are ALWAYS welcome

2005-09-08 [It takes a disaster to learn a lesson]: i want to join

2005-09-08 [RabidSphinx]: then add your name to Pro-Life Members, and welcome! *hugs*

2005-09-11 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: hey are any of you guys on elftown? if so i need your help, i need people to help prove my point that abortion is wrong. my sn on et is [b-ball girl22] so please help me oh yeah the wiki is what would your baby say thank you so much i appreciate it

2005-09-12 [RabidSphinx]: i'm on Et

2005-09-13 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: can u help me?

2005-09-13 [RabidSphinx]: maybe...i'm sort'a swamped at the moment with my website though... www.LeaveMeHere.com

2005-09-14 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: oh ok well whenever you get the chance

2005-09-14 [RabidSphinx]: yuppers

2005-09-15 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: thank you

2005-09-21 [Morning Rose]: Monday the 19th, I found out I'm about 2 and a half weeks pregnant. I have breast cancer. Because of the cancer and chemo I have 3 choices right now.

2005-09-21 [Morning Rose]: 1. Keep having chemo, which will kill the baby, and misscarry.

2005-09-21 [Morning Rose]: 2. Abort the baby, continu the chemo.

2005-09-21 [Morning Rose]: 3. Stop the chemo, have (or try to, my track record with pregnancies is bad) the baby, and most likely die from the cancer that got worse.

2005-09-21 [Morning Rose]: I dunno what to do...

2005-09-21 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: omg! that must really suck you know i don't really know what to tell you i mean i'm like dumbfounded rite now because if i was in your situation i wouldn't know wut to do either and even though i'm not i still don't know wut to do i'm so sorry i wish i could help

2005-09-21 [RabidSphinx]: i would say, given your bad record of pregnancies in the past, and the seriousness of your condition at the pressent, to continue with the chemo. it is up to god if the baby lives or not at that point, it is you that you need to be concerned with. what good would it be to you and the world if you died and left a baby with no one, or if you AND the baby both died? i'm sorry dear...*hugs*

2005-09-21 [Morning Rose]: The doctor said it'd be easier on my body to abort it...

2005-09-21 [Morning Rose]: and the baby would have Eric..

2005-09-21 [RabidSphinx]: you asked my advice, i gave it...it's up to you in the end what you do

2005-09-21 [Morning Rose]: Eric wants me to abort it so I'll be ok.. because if I miscarry again I might bleed out..

2005-09-21 [RabidSphinx]: well, i wish you the best of luck...i myself am stressing...my boyfriend asked me to marry him, a few hours before he died twice and was ressesitated twice...i'm worried beyond anything at the moment for him... :(

2005-09-21 [Morning Rose]: I'm sure you are... I'm worried about mine too...

2005-09-21 [RabidSphinx]: worry worry worry... :(

2005-11-01 [rocker_reject]: morning rose, i say continue with the chemo and if you have to abort....only because either way the baby will die. and at this point you should take your life into more consideration cause you can always try for another baby. if you dont do the chemo you may end up dying and what would that be for. I'm just telling you my opinion. not trying to tell you what to do. and i am sorry to hear of your mishap

2005-11-01 [Morning Rose]: Thanks, but I've stopped the chemo and me and the baby are doing great, and my doctors think that we'll both be fine.

2005-11-01 [RabidSphinx]: that is fantastic! i'm so happy for you! i pray that everything keeps going well...*hugs*

2005-11-02 [Morning Rose]: Thanks. ^^

2005-11-03 [RabidSphinx]: when is your estimated due-date?

2005-11-04 [rocker_reject]: that is fantastic!

2005-11-30 [Iuppiter, rex deorum]: Don't mean to butt in or anything, but reading the comments from [Morning Rose] at the beginning, and then her saying that her and the baby are doing great, I can't even put into words how happy I am for that. Wow, God is really working in that.

2005-11-30 [RabidSphinx]: isn't it wonderful? lets all pray for her and the baby.

2006-01-01 [RabidSphinx]: <img:http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d145/Harvie_Ruth/f44c6bd6.gif>

2006-01-01 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: that is so true

2006-01-01 [RabidSphinx]: *nods*

2006-01-01 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: abortion is so horrible it should be illegal

2006-01-01 [RabidSphinx]: that is my goal in life

2006-01-01 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: to make abortion illegal? that's a very good goal

2006-01-01 [RabidSphinx]: i will fight abortion untill the day i pass from this earth...this wiki i made as just a small step

2006-01-01 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: wow! well the best of luck to you and i truly hope you do stop abortion because it needs to be stopped

2006-01-01 [RabidSphinx]: thank you. one person wont make a differeance in this though. we all have to stand togeather

2006-01-01 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: yes i know i'm gonna try to pursue that goal also.

2006-01-01 [RabidSphinx]: just reach out to people. i plan on going to some marches and pickets this spring

2006-01-01 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: that's pretty cool well there's not alot i can do because of where i live and it's such a small community that i don't know wut to do

2006-01-01 [RabidSphinx]: every time you talk to someone, you help. i plan to picket our local "planed parenthood" clinic

2006-01-01 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: oh ok yeah i could do that

2006-01-01 [RabidSphinx]: ^^

2006-01-01 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: yep

2006-01-03 [;;Melodrama Junkie]: This is oh so very late but congrats morning rose lol. I don't think I can do much but I think abortion is totally wrong..

2006-01-03 [taters_chick07]: i know i am just new to this wiki but i don't care abortion is wrong

2006-01-05 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: i totally agree with all y'all

2006-01-05 [Quo Vadis]: I like the banner you made [RabidSphinx]!

2006-01-05 [Yes, I've left.]: ...i agree abortion is totally wrong, but i dont think it should be made illegal as it might encourage backstreet abortions. Abortion might be acceptable say if the mother or baby's life is in danger if the birth was carried

2006-01-05 [Quo Vadis]: Yes, but way kill the baby before they know anything?

2006-01-06 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: yes,exactly. i think that they should find out if there are going to be any complications if she gave birth but if it was going to put either the mother or the baby in danger, couldn't she just have a cesection?

2006-01-06 [Willow Rose]: A c-section would probably depend on how far along the child is.

2006-01-07 [~*Dawn_yell*~]: yeah i know but i mean actually idk i'm very confused rite now

2006-01-07 [RabidSphinx]: i think it is wrong all the way around. as americans (the US is where i live at least) we do not KILL our sick. and black-market aboritons, what do i care? forgive my harshness, but if a woman is willing to break the law AND kill her own child, then if she dies, i have no sympathy

2006-01-07 [Yes, I've left.]: what if she's forced into it?...or thinks she has no choice....and by the way the british do not kill their sick either. If the mother's life was in serious danger if she had the child would it not be fairer to her family if the one they really knew survived.

2006-01-07 [RabidSphinx]: who would force her? if it is against the law who would force her so much that she would not be able to go to the police? (such as a bad BF or something, in which case, she should get away from him anyways) and no choice? there is ALWAYS a choice...that is why it is called "pro-choice"....some people are beyond help, and you know what should be done with them? we love them to death...we let them go.

2006-01-07 [Yes, I've left.]: You may be strong enough to put that into action if you were the person in that posistion, but some people are mentally weak. They might not have the courage to go to the police after being threatened. Why do you think some victims of rape dont tell anyone?

2006-01-07 [RabidSphinx]: i never told anyone...that doesn't make me weak. and still, just because she is being pressured to do it, does not mean she has to. amazing how well the word "no" works.

2006-01-07 [Yes, I've left.]: No, it doesn't make you weak. I don't want to pry, but were you the victim of someone you knew well?...a family member?....that can be a rhetorical question. She may have tried using the amazing word 'no'. But 'no' is sometimes difficult to say. She may not have the courage to argue against the abortion. Surely she deserves sympathy rather than being frowned upon so she only feels worse.

2006-01-07 [RabidSphinx]: sympathy? "oh, i'm sorry, your BF is an ass, sure, you can kill your baby, but just this one time alright"? what sort of BS is that? sorry you are being pressured, here, we'll let you have an abortion...EVERY woman that has a one night stand and regrets it later, and wants an abortion will say "help me, i'm being pressured, PLEASE let me get an abortion, oh god, i don't want to get fat!!"......total BS and it would totally negate the whole making it illigal in the first place

2006-01-07 [Yes, I've left.]: ok, well obviously then thats they're own fault. but there are some cases which a girl/woman might have no choice. Say a girl, maybe in her early teens or younger has been raped by say a stepfather. Say she had been warned by him not to tell her mum or anybody. Say when the stepfather finds out that she is pregnant and is worried suspicion could fall on him she takes her to have an abortion against her will. She cannot fight back as he us stronger than her and is scared he will hurt her more. Doesn't THIS girls deserve sympathy?

2006-01-07 [RabidSphinx]: nope. not enough to be allowed an abortion. no man should be able to walk his 12 year old daughter into a clinic and say, "give her an abortion now". that would imply that what he did was okay. he is destroying the evidence of his act. abortion being illegal would mean he would have to do it black-market, which would 1)cost alot of money wich is susspition enough, and 2)would leave evidence, maybe even need further medical treatment, meaning he would be discovered anyways, and he would be in trouble anyways.....AND something you have to understand..."Rape" accounts for 1% of ALL abortions...that is less than 1000 abortions a year...so really, your scenario is decent, but impractical...

2006-01-07 [RabidSphinx]: We need to base policy off of the RULE, not the ACCEPTION...

2006-01-09 [Yes, I've left.]: ...i'm not trying to stand up for abortion; i believe it is wrong too. But i still believe that in some situations, however unlikey, abortion may be the better option, or as in my example, if she had forced to have a backstreet abortion, i dont believe we can frown upon the girl.

2006-01-09 [RabidSphinx]: i am against abortion. i do not care what reason, however obscure you can try and come up with, it is WRONG and it should not be allowed. killing a child is NEVER a "better option" if you believe that, then you are not pro-life, you are "pro-choice" because you believe that a woman should STILL have the CHOICE to kill her child, even if it is only in that rare occasion

2006-01-09 [Quo Vadis]: Thats right!

2006-01-09 [Yes, I've left.]: I'm not pro-choice. That would suggest you can choose to have an abortion whenever. But if the mother was in a serious condition, and would die if she went through with the pregnancy and birth would die, the baby would probaby die too, especially if not very developed. Would it not be better to save one life than let two go?

2006-01-09 [RabidSphinx]: i do not believe so. who are we to decide what life is more importat, which life (baby or mothers) we should save? i believe in helping the sick, and preventing the unneccisary deaths of people, but not at the cost of another's life. never should we have the power to chose which person will live and which will die. and yes, actually, you are pro-choice if you believe that (no matter what the situation may be) there is a time when a woman should be able to CHOSE...unless you are saying it isn't her choice, and people like a doctor will make it for her, and that is in violation of the first amendment and is not allowed. it is, always, in the end, HER choice

2006-01-09 [Yes, I've left.]: You could argue that my way aswell. The mother's family and the doctor want to help her, being the sick, and want to prevent her death. Ideally not at the cost of another's life but saving the baby would cost her life, so 'we' do still chose which person will live and which will die. But isnt it more sensible to save the mother as the baby might not survive with the mother being in her state of health...so the doctors would have failed to prevent two unneccessary deaths instead of just one.

2006-01-09 [RabidSphinx]: death is something that will take us all eventually...some thing cannot be prevented...think of the woman...would she want to live having lost her child (often with the news that she will never be able to successfully carry a child) and would a baby want to live without a mother. some people are not meant to be saved. we are not to pick one life over another. if one can be saved, but ONLy by sacrificing the other, it is not meant to be saved

2006-01-09 [Quo Vadis]: If I was really sick, and I had to choose who would live, I would pick the baby. 'Cause I lived my life. The baby, on the other hand has not.

2006-01-09 [RabidSphinx]: thank you [Quo Vadis]. if i were in that situation, and really, a choice had to be made, i would save my baby...give him/her to my husband, and make a videotape for the baby, expressing my love for him/her for them all the watch later, when he/she is old enough

2006-01-09 [Quo Vadis]: You're welcome [RabidSphinx]!!!

2006-01-12 [HOLLYWOOD-UNDEAD]: omg! abortion is wrong! how do i oin?

2006-01-12 [RabidSphinx]: just go to the member page: Pro-Life Members and add your name to the bottom of the list, and, if you like, add a short statement afterwards expressing your beliefs...^^ welcome to Pro-Life!

2006-01-23 [x-x-bby-soph-x-x]: u av nw helped me wiv sum homework sum ov the piccys made me feel sik though

2006-01-23 [RabidSphinx]: well, glad we could help, and sorry about that. the pictures are rather grafic... :(

2006-02-08 [miss red-head]: yeah it help me to. thanks. we all have a views dand thoughts on issues like this .this there a pro-choce wikki aswel?

2006-02-09 [RabidSphinx]: yes there is it's called the pro-choice league but they lack any actual information, they are just a list of immoral people basically

2006-02-09 [miss red-head]: oh thanks.sorry but what do you mean by a list of immoral people ?

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